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	<title>Comments on: Monica Jackson &#038; a Big ole Can of Worms</title>
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		<title>by: KeVin K</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-15023</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 05:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, after 26 years of interracial marriage -- and three racially blended children -- I have to admit that when I think interracial romance, I think wm/bf just like our family. We as a couple can usually tell if a writer "gets it" - understands why what works for us works for us. Neither my wife nor I dated -- or considered dating -- outside our own race. In fact, we became best friends because each of us considered the other "safe" -- not part of the whole dating/sex/ game. The possibility of a romantic relationship wasn't even on the table. I don't think that could happen today -- our culture has become too open to the fact of interracial love for that level of oblivion -- but I'm still working on writing a romance in which it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, after 26 years of interracial marriage &#8212; and three racially blended children &#8212; I have to admit that when I think interracial romance, I think wm/bf just like our family. We as a couple can usually tell if a writer &#8220;gets it&#8221; - understands why what works for us works for us. Neither my wife nor I dated &#8212; or considered dating &#8212; outside our own race. In fact, we became best friends because each of us considered the other &#8220;safe&#8221; &#8212; not part of the whole dating/sex/ game. The possibility of a romantic relationship wasn&#8217;t even on the table. I don&#8217;t think that could happen today &#8212; our culture has become too open to the fact of interracial love for that level of oblivion &#8212; but I&#8217;m still working on writing a romance in which it does.
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		<title>by: Bettie</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14665</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But what if it wasn’t looks that drew them together? What if they were friends first, and gradually fell into something deeper? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Annie, looks are rarely what draw people together (and they sure as heck don't &lt;i&gt;keep&lt;/i&gt; them together).  But our culture tends to assume looks are what matters, so it's easy to fall into the trap of seeing a person's choice of partner as an indication of what they find physically attractive--especially when all you know about the people in question is what they look like.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What if they met online and had no idea about anything when they were hanging out and talking and it didn’t become a factor until they actually got ready to meet and exchanged pictures so they’d know who they were looking for?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Case in point, my husband and I met online.  We like some of the same books and music.  He makes me laugh.  He never said what his race was, and I assumed he was biracial (with no evidence.  I just assume everyone is bi/multiracial until told otherwise).  And that's how I ended up married to a white guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But what if it wasn’t looks that drew them together? What if they were friends first, and gradually fell into something deeper? </p></blockquote>
<p>Annie, looks are rarely what draw people together (and they sure as heck don&#8217;t <i>keep</i> them together).  But our culture tends to assume looks are what matters, so it&#8217;s easy to fall into the trap of seeing a person&#8217;s choice of partner as an indication of what they find physically attractive&#8211;especially when all you know about the people in question is what they look like.</p>
<blockquote><p>What if they met online and had no idea about anything when they were hanging out and talking and it didn’t become a factor until they actually got ready to meet and exchanged pictures so they’d know who they were looking for?</p></blockquote>
<p>Case in point, my husband and I met online.  We like some of the same books and music.  He makes me laugh.  He never said what his race was, and I assumed he was biracial (with no evidence.  I just assume everyone is bi/multiracial until told otherwise).  And that&#8217;s how I ended up married to a white guy.
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		<title>by: Ann Aguirre</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14657</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What Bettie said is really interesting. &lt;blockquote&gt;Our culture generally tends to assume that men date women they find physically attractive. So when a black guy dates a white woman it doesn’t matter if they’re soulmates, our first response might be, “he thinks ‘white’ is more attractive than black.” But when I see a white, black, Asian or Latino guy with a black or brown woman, I subconsciously think, “He thinks black/brown is beautiful. What a smart man.”&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

But what if it wasn't looks that drew them together? What if they were friends first, and gradually fell into something deeper? What if they met online and had no idea about anything when they were hanging out and talking and it didn't become a factor until they actually got ready to meet and exchanged pictures so they'd know who they were looking for? 

That's the kind of thing I think about when I people-watch. I wonder how they met, what their story is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Bettie said is really interesting.<br />
<blockquote>Our culture generally tends to assume that men date women they find physically attractive. So when a black guy dates a white woman it doesn’t matter if they’re soulmates, our first response might be, “he thinks ‘white’ is more attractive than black.” But when I see a white, black, Asian or Latino guy with a black or brown woman, I subconsciously think, “He thinks black/brown is beautiful. What a smart man.”</p></blockquote>
<p>But what if it wasn&#8217;t looks that drew them together? What if they were friends first, and gradually fell into something deeper? What if they met online and had no idea about anything when they were hanging out and talking and it didn&#8217;t become a factor until they actually got ready to meet and exchanged pictures so they&#8217;d know who they were looking for? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the kind of thing I think about when I people-watch. I wonder how they met, what their story is.
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		<title>by: Devon</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14654</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Our culture generally tends to assume that men date women they find physically attractive. So when a black guy dates a white woman it doesn’t matter if they’re soulmates, our first response might be, “he thinks ‘white’ is more attractive than black.” But when I see a white, black, Asian or Latino guy with a black or brown woman, I subconsciously think, “He thinks black/brown is beautiful. What a smart man.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bettie, you nailed it for me.  Yesterday, I was pondering why I find BW/WM stories so appealling, when the majority of Real-Life IR pairings I'm familiar with have a white woman as the female partner.  I'm a white woman who kind of subscribes to the idea that, on the whole, men are shallower, simpler creatures than women.  So a guy who doesn't seem to subscribe to the blonde, blue-eyed ideal of beauty...it's hot.  Makes him more interesting, somehow.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact is, white authors–and most white people in general–don’t think about their world being practically all white because that is their reality and the reality of their readers. It’s taking them out of their comfort zone, or just even out of their daily pattern of life, to realize how white their books are, and an even stronger will to want to do anything about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely true, Angela.  I never gave a single thought to the presence or absence of AA romance before it was brought to my attention, other than the occasional sigh over the black or gay best friend.  Like on sitcoms where they throw them in for "diversity", but they have no real personality or purpose other than to provide sage advice to the main characters.  It sometimes seems kind of cheesy, but yeah, didn't think about it all that much.

On of my best friend's is Sendhil Ramamurthy's "cousin", and I insist on trumpeting my tenuous connection with him everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Our culture generally tends to assume that men date women they find physically attractive. So when a black guy dates a white woman it doesn’t matter if they’re soulmates, our first response might be, “he thinks ‘white’ is more attractive than black.” But when I see a white, black, Asian or Latino guy with a black or brown woman, I subconsciously think, “He thinks black/brown is beautiful. What a smart man.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Bettie, you nailed it for me.  Yesterday, I was pondering why I find BW/WM stories so appealling, when the majority of Real-Life IR pairings I&#8217;m familiar with have a white woman as the female partner.  I&#8217;m a white woman who kind of subscribes to the idea that, on the whole, men are shallower, simpler creatures than women.  So a guy who doesn&#8217;t seem to subscribe to the blonde, blue-eyed ideal of beauty&#8230;it&#8217;s hot.  Makes him more interesting, somehow.</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact is, white authors–and most white people in general–don’t think about their world being practically all white because that is their reality and the reality of their readers. It’s taking them out of their comfort zone, or just even out of their daily pattern of life, to realize how white their books are, and an even stronger will to want to do anything about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely true, Angela.  I never gave a single thought to the presence or absence of AA romance before it was brought to my attention, other than the occasional sigh over the black or gay best friend.  Like on sitcoms where they throw them in for &#8220;diversity&#8221;, but they have no real personality or purpose other than to provide sage advice to the main characters.  It sometimes seems kind of cheesy, but yeah, didn&#8217;t think about it all that much.</p>
<p>On of my best friend&#8217;s is Sendhil Ramamurthy&#8217;s &#8220;cousin&#8221;, and I insist on trumpeting my tenuous connection with him everywhere.
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		<title>by: Carrie Lofty</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14651</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sendhil Ramamurthy. Oh, Ann, thank you for that. He's my new favorite for today. Then I'll think about Lawrence Fishburne some more. And Takeshi. So much variety, so little time...

Women who only fancy white men are just too damn picky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sendhil Ramamurthy. Oh, Ann, thank you for that. He&#8217;s my new favorite for today. Then I&#8217;ll think about Lawrence Fishburne some more. And Takeshi. So much variety, so little time&#8230;</p>
<p>Women who only fancy white men are just too damn picky.
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		<title>by: It&#8217;s a White, White, White World &#171; Reading While Black</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14647</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] a White, White, White&#160;World August 31, 2007 Posted by blackromancereader in Angela, Race. trackback  Monica and Roslyn&#8217;s tete-a-tete over at Bam&#8217;s blog got my motor running. My brainpieced together bits and pieces of what I wanted to say, but it wasn&#8217;t until I read the post that it formed into a somewhat coherent ramble. I&#8217;m a pretty big Hitchcock fan, and after indulging in an impromptu marathon of his films, in particularly Marnie, I was struck by a scene wherein Marnie (Tippi Hedren) and Mark (Sean Connery) walk into a restaurant for a cup of coffee. It had never hit me before now, but I was silenced and thoughtful by the fact that in 1964 (when the movie was released), a black man and woman couldn&#8217;t have just waltzed into the place, sat down and expected a meal served by a cheerful waitress. Even when watching Casablanca for the first time (not a Hitchcock film, I know, it was rented with his films), I realized that in all of the suspenseful espionage romances like Casablanca or Notorious, there are no black people. And in fact, to this day, black people are never featured as stars of WWII-set romantic movies. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a White, White, White&nbsp;World August 31, 2007 Posted by blackromancereader in Angela, Race. trackback  Monica and Roslyn&#8217;s tete-a-tete over at Bam&#8217;s blog got my motor running. My brainpieced together bits and pieces of what I wanted to say, but it wasn&#8217;t until I read the post that it formed into a somewhat coherent ramble. I&#8217;m a pretty big Hitchcock fan, and after indulging in an impromptu marathon of his films, in particularly Marnie, I was struck by a scene wherein Marnie (Tippi Hedren) and Mark (Sean Connery) walk into a restaurant for a cup of coffee. It had never hit me before now, but I was silenced and thoughtful by the fact that in 1964 (when the movie was released), a black man and woman couldn&#8217;t have just waltzed into the place, sat down and expected a meal served by a cheerful waitress. Even when watching Casablanca for the first time (not a Hitchcock film, I know, it was rented with his films), I realized that in all of the suspenseful espionage romances like Casablanca or Notorious, there are no black people. And in fact, to this day, black people are never featured as stars of WWII-set romantic movies. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Angela</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14645</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was just having a conversation with my mother about how the media has placed the white woman--in any shade and shape--as the ideal form of beauty and if that's all little black girls see, how are they to feel good about themselves? If you never see "yourself" represented on-screen, it's a given that you begin to feel something is wrong with you if no one wants to see "you" in the media. In my experiences growing up in predominantly white areas, I was too busy trying to fit in with the black folks to worry about seeing white boys as objects of my affection, lol. It's only now that I'm grown that I've been seeing white men as crushworthy. 

In terms of the romance novel, I don't see black or Asian men becoming heroes as regularly as Latinos, "Native Americans" or "Middle Eastern" heroes because of the negative sexual association. Carrie's story about furtive, drunken gossip about being with a black man feeds into the 19th century to now media of the black man as hyper-sexualized object. Not a man with feelings and emotions, but a sexual object and conquest. It's because it's seen as somewhat shameful to desire and want to get to know a black man that I don't foresee a mass exodus of white readers to romance novels featuring black heroes and heroines.(for the heroine part, the media has conditioned us to see black women as unattractive because our "wide" noses and "nappy" hair. (I hear off-the-cuff comments concerning the appearance of black women from white women a lot--and the words from that Glamour editor confirm how "black" beauty is seen).

As for Asian men, they've still got to fight against the kung-fu master, meek sadist, puny geek image we often see in the media. Anne Stuart's book is one out of how many rom-susp novels featuring the manly-white-man-hero? The fact is, white authors--and most white people in general--don't think about their world being practically all white because that is their reality and the reality of their readers. It's taking them out of their comfort zone, or just even out of their daily pattern of life, to realize how white their books are, and an even stronger will to want to do anything about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just having a conversation with my mother about how the media has placed the white woman&#8211;in any shade and shape&#8211;as the ideal form of beauty and if that&#8217;s all little black girls see, how are they to feel good about themselves? If you never see &#8220;yourself&#8221; represented on-screen, it&#8217;s a given that you begin to feel something is wrong with you if no one wants to see &#8220;you&#8221; in the media. In my experiences growing up in predominantly white areas, I was too busy trying to fit in with the black folks to worry about seeing white boys as objects of my affection, lol. It&#8217;s only now that I&#8217;m grown that I&#8217;ve been seeing white men as crushworthy. </p>
<p>In terms of the romance novel, I don&#8217;t see black or Asian men becoming heroes as regularly as Latinos, &#8220;Native Americans&#8221; or &#8220;Middle Eastern&#8221; heroes because of the negative sexual association. Carrie&#8217;s story about furtive, drunken gossip about being with a black man feeds into the 19th century to now media of the black man as hyper-sexualized object. Not a man with feelings and emotions, but a sexual object and conquest. It&#8217;s because it&#8217;s seen as somewhat shameful to desire and want to get to know a black man that I don&#8217;t foresee a mass exodus of white readers to romance novels featuring black heroes and heroines.(for the heroine part, the media has conditioned us to see black women as unattractive because our &#8220;wide&#8221; noses and &#8220;nappy&#8221; hair. (I hear off-the-cuff comments concerning the appearance of black women from white women a lot&#8211;and the words from that Glamour editor confirm how &#8220;black&#8221; beauty is seen).</p>
<p>As for Asian men, they&#8217;ve still got to fight against the kung-fu master, meek sadist, puny geek image we often see in the media. Anne Stuart&#8217;s book is one out of how many rom-susp novels featuring the manly-white-man-hero? The fact is, white authors&#8211;and most white people in general&#8211;don&#8217;t think about their world being practically all white because that is their reality and the reality of their readers. It&#8217;s taking them out of their comfort zone, or just even out of their daily pattern of life, to realize how white their books are, and an even stronger will to want to do anything about it.
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		<title>by: Errant Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Race in Romance</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] A couple of guest &#8220;speakers&#8221; over at Dionne Galace took on a particularly thorny topic, and did it with grace and a willingness to grab the bull by the horns: race in romance. It&#8217;s an interesting topic; the romance genre is one that has often seemed to lag a bit behind other types of literature in catching up to trends like, say, strong women, so it makes sense that it would have trouble catching up with the idea of having non-white romantic leads as well. Monica Jackson and Roslyn Hardy-Holcomb discuss the trends and reasons, and they&#8217;re very blunt and unafraid to speak their minds. It&#8217;s a fascinating read. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A couple of guest &#8220;speakers&#8221; over at Dionne Galace took on a particularly thorny topic, and did it with grace and a willingness to grab the bull by the horns: race in romance. It&#8217;s an interesting topic; the romance genre is one that has often seemed to lag a bit behind other types of literature in catching up to trends like, say, strong women, so it makes sense that it would have trouble catching up with the idea of having non-white romantic leads as well. Monica Jackson and Roslyn Hardy-Holcomb discuss the trends and reasons, and they&#8217;re very blunt and unafraid to speak their minds. It&#8217;s a fascinating read. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Bettie</title>
		<link>http://dionnegalace.com/wordpress/2007/08/30/monica-jackson-a-big-ole-can-of-worms/#comment-14631</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;a mixed heroine (Colombian / Lebanese). And if you recognize that ethnicity, then you must be a fan like me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Annie, &lt;i&gt;¡Sí!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a mixed heroine (Colombian / Lebanese). And if you recognize that ethnicity, then you must be a fan like me.</p></blockquote>
<p>Annie, <i>¡Sí!</i>
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		<title>by: Bettie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As far as writing other ethnicities–I think it would be hard to get it wrong, especially as far as blacks–because folks fail to realize there is such a variety of people termed as black.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Monica, bless you.  One of my pet peeves is authors who use race as a description.  Describing someone as a "black man" or a "black woman" says didly, except that the character isn't white.  Black folks aren't all the same color, don't all have the same features, and we don't all even share the same culture (really.  I knew this Jamaican-American girl.  We looked a lot alike.  Culturally, we had squat in common.).  


I think the reason there are so few black man/white woman romances is because it's such a touchy subject.  Hell, my dad is black and my mom is white, and black man/white woman pairings annoy even &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt;.  And even though I'm the product of an interracial pairing, even though I'm involved in an interracial pairing, I have to admit that I instinctively feel a little insulted when I first see a hot black man with a white chick, but I never get annoyed when I see a beautiful black woman with a white guy.  Hypocrite much?  Yeah.  

Also, white men or women who say they "just aren't sexually attracted to black people" set off my asshole alarm, no matter how nice they are.  

Our culture generally tends to assume that men date women they find physically attractive.  So when a black guy dates a white woman it doesn't matter if they're soulmates, our first response might be, "he thinks 'white' is more attractive than black."  But when I see a white, black, Asian or Latino guy with a black or brown woman, I subconsciously think, "He thinks black/brown is beautiful.  What a smart man."

So I guess what I'm saying is, it's all about me.  If a man thinks women who look like me are hot, then he's a good guy.  If he prefers women who don't look like me, there's obviously something wrong with him. ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As far as writing other ethnicities–I think it would be hard to get it wrong, especially as far as blacks–because folks fail to realize there is such a variety of people termed as black.</p></blockquote>
<p>Monica, bless you.  One of my pet peeves is authors who use race as a description.  Describing someone as a &#8220;black man&#8221; or a &#8220;black woman&#8221; says didly, except that the character isn&#8217;t white.  Black folks aren&#8217;t all the same color, don&#8217;t all have the same features, and we don&#8217;t all even share the same culture (really.  I knew this Jamaican-American girl.  We looked a lot alike.  Culturally, we had squat in common.).  </p>
<p>I think the reason there are so few black man/white woman romances is because it&#8217;s such a touchy subject.  Hell, my dad is black and my mom is white, and black man/white woman pairings annoy even <i>me</i>.  And even though I&#8217;m the product of an interracial pairing, even though I&#8217;m involved in an interracial pairing, I have to admit that I instinctively feel a little insulted when I first see a hot black man with a white chick, but I never get annoyed when I see a beautiful black woman with a white guy.  Hypocrite much?  Yeah.  </p>
<p>Also, white men or women who say they &#8220;just aren&#8217;t sexually attracted to black people&#8221; set off my asshole alarm, no matter how nice they are.  </p>
<p>Our culture generally tends to assume that men date women they find physically attractive.  So when a black guy dates a white woman it doesn&#8217;t matter if they&#8217;re soulmates, our first response might be, &#8220;he thinks &#8216;white&#8217; is more attractive than black.&#8221;  But when I see a white, black, Asian or Latino guy with a black or brown woman, I subconsciously think, &#8220;He thinks black/brown is beautiful.  What a smart man.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I guess what I&#8217;m saying is, it&#8217;s all about me.  If a man thinks women who look like me are hot, then he&#8217;s a good guy.  If he prefers women who don&#8217;t look like me, there&#8217;s obviously something wrong with him. ;o)
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